I think both creating a one-off list and schema.org approaches pose
problems within the context of the original fund raising campaign's pitch.
I don't think every library can necessarily implement the latter for a
variety of reasons, not always technical.
From the pov that a library can be a community center in a time of crisis,
I'm wondering not only how quickly a search engine would pick that up but
also, in such moments, how prioritized updating that data would be in the
first place.
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Charlie Morris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I'm curious, Karen, Ethan or anyone else, do you know of any examples of
> libraries that have implemented schema.org or RDFa for hours data and have
> noticed that Google or some other search engine has picked it up (i.e.,
> correctly displaying that data as part of the search results)? And if so,
> how quickly will Google or the like pickup on changes to hours (i.e.,
> shifting between semesters or unplanned changes)?
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Ethan Gruber <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > +1 on the RDFa and schema.org. For those that don't know the library URL
> > off-hand, it is much easier to find a library website by Googling than it
> > is to go through the central university portal, and the hours will show
> up
> > at the top of the page after having been harvested by search engines.
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Karen Coyle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Note that library hours is one of the possible bits of information that
> > > could be encoded as RDFa in the library web site, thus making it
> possible
> > > to derive library hours directly from the listing of hours on the web
> > site
> > > rather than keeping a separate list. Schema.org does have the elements
> > such
> > > that hours can be encoded. This would mean that hours could show in the
> > > display of the library's catalog entry on Google, Yahoo and Bing. Being
> > > available directly through the search engines might be sufficient, not
> > > necessitating creating yet-another-database for that data.
> > >
> > > Schema.org uses a restaurant as its opening hours example, but much of
> > the
> > > data would be the same for a library:
> > >
> > > <div vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="Restaurant">
> > > <span property="name">GreatFood</span>
> > > <div property="aggregateRating" typeof="AggregateRating">
> > > <span property="ratingValue">4</span> stars -
> > > based on <span property="reviewCount">250</span> reviews
> > > </div>
> > > <div property="address" typeof="PostalAddress">
> > > <span property="streetAddress">1901 Lemur Ave</span>
> > > <span property="addressLocality">Sunnyvale</span>,
> > > <span property="addressRegion">CA</span> <span
> > > property="postalCode">94086</span>
> > > </div>
> > > <span property="telephone">(408) 714-1489</span>
> > > <a property="url" href="http://www.dishdash.com">www.greatfood.com
> </a>
> > > Hours:
> > > <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Sa 11:00-14:30">Mon-Sat
> 11am
> > -
> > > 2:30pm
> > > <meta property="openingHours" content="Mo-Th 17:00-21:30">Mon-Thu
> 5pm -
> > > 9:30pm
> > > <meta property="openingHours" content="Fr-Sa 17:00-22:00">Fri-Sat
> 5pm -
> > > 10:00pm
> > > Categories:
> > > <span property="servesCuisine">
> > > Middle Eastern
> > > </span>,
> > > <span property="servesCuisine">
> > > Mediterranean
> > > </span>
> > > Price Range: <span property="priceRange">$$</span>
> > > Takes Reservations: Yes
> > > </div>
> > >
> > > It seems to me that using schema.org would get more bang for the buck
> --
> > > it would get into the search engines and could also be aggregated into
> > > whatever database is needed. As we've seen with OCLC, having a separate
> > > listing is likely to mean that the data will be out of date.
> > >
> > > kc
> > >
> > > On 5/5/15 2:19 PM, nitin arora wrote:
> > >
> > >> I can't see they distinguished between public libraries and other
> types
> > on
> > >> their campaign page.
> > >>
> > >> They say " all libraries" as far as I can see.
> > >> So I suppose then that this is true for "all libraries":
> > >> "Libraries offer a space anyone can enter, where money isn't
> exchanged,
> > >> and
> > >> documentation doesn't have to be shown."
> > >> Who knew fines and library/student-IDs were a thing of the past?
> > >>
> > >> The only data sets I can find where they got the 17,000 number is for
> > >> public libraries:
> > >> http://www.imls.gov/research/pls_data_files.aspx
> > >> Maybe I missed something.
> > >> There is an hours field on one of the CSVs I downloaded, etc for 2012
> > data
> > >> (the most recent I could find).
> > >>
> > >> Asking 10k for something targeted for completion in June and without a
> > >> grasp on what types of libraries there are and how volatile the hours
> > >> information is (especially in crisis) ...
> > >> Sounds naive at best, sketchy at worst.
> > >>
> > >> The "flexible funding" button says "this campaign will receive all
> funds
> > >> raised even if it does not reach its goals".
> > >>
> > >> "The value of these places for youth cannot be underestimated."
> > >> So is the value of a quick buck ...
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:53 PM, McCanna, Terran <
> > >> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'm not at all surprised that this doesn't already exist, and even if
> > >>> OCLC's was available, I'd be willing to bet it was out of date.
> > >>>
> > >>> Public library hours, especially in underfunded areas, may fluctuate
> > >>> depending on funding cycles, seasons (whether school is in or out),
> > etc.,
> > >>> not to mention closing/reopening/moving because of old buildings that
> > >>> need
> > >>> to be updated. We have around 280 locations in our consortium and we
> > have
> > >>> to rely on self-reporting to find out if their hours change. We
> > certainly
> > >>> don't have staff time to check every one of their web sites on
> regular
> > >>> basis, I can't imagine keeping track of 17,000!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Terran McCanna
> > >>> PINES Program Manager
> > >>> Georgia Public Library Service
> > >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
> > >>> Atlanta, GA 30345
> > >>> 404-235-7138
> > >>> [log in to unmask]
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Peter Murray" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 4:36:56 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Library Hours
> > >>>
> > >>> OCLC has an institutional registry [1], which had (in part) library
> > >>> hours,
> > >>> addresses, and so forth. It seems to be unavailable, though [2].
> That
> > >>> is
> > >>> the only systematic collection of library hours data that I know
> about.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter
> > >>>
> > >>> [1] https://www.oclc.org/worldcat-registry.en.html
> > >>> [2] https://www.worldcat.org/registry/institution/
> > >>>
> > >>> On May 5, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Bigwood, David <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> This looks like a decent group, but I find this statement hard to
> > >>>>
> > >>> believe.
> > >>>
> > >>>> "Your tax-deductible donation supports adding the names, address and
> > the
> > >>>>
> > >>> hours of operation of all libraries to Range. The Institute of Museum
> > and
> > >>> Library Services publishes an open data catalog which is the source
> > we'll
> > >>> use for the names and the addresses of the nation's libraries.
> However,
> > >>> there isn't a listing of the days and hours of operation for all
> > >>> libraries
> > >>> in the US. We are going to track down the hours of operation for all
> > >>> 17,000
> > >>> libraries and make that information available -- in Range and for
> other
> > >>> developers who may want to use it."
> > >>>
> > https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/range-food-and-safe-places-for-youth
> > >>>
> > >>>> Are the hours of public libraries really not available?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>> David Bigwood
> > >>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>> Lunar and Planetary Institute
> > >>>> @LPI_Library
> > >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lunarandplanetaryinstitute/
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
> > > Karen Coyle
> > > [log in to unmask] http://kcoyle.net
> > > m: +1-510-435-8234
> > > skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600
> > >
> >
>
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