Right. Which is why *someone* copied all of the Google digitized books 
to the Internet Archive -- someone not associated with the library 
partners. So generally if you cannot download from HT you can find the 
same scan via openlibrary.org. Unfortunately that doesn't help with 
using the tool that ELM has alerted us to.

kc

On 6/1/15 2:19 PM, Jimmy Ghaphery wrote:
> I think we are in agreement (especially about the utility of all things
> HathiTrust). My one point is that any restrictions on digitized public
> domain works, as I understand it, are not related to copyright.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Terry Reese <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>>> However, the digitizing agency cannot dictate any copyright
>>>> restrictions on the digitized copies once released to the public
>> The digital objects have not, and as far as I understand, cannot be made
>> available to the public if digitized as part of the google books
>> digitization project.  Most institutions got very limited use, and
>> generally these were tied to their specific, immediate, communities.
>> Though, with that said each institution has slightly different terms.  For
>> what it's worth, the research center does not make the digital copies
>> available for download -- it provides tools for working with data in
>> aggregate (worksets) and provides a proof of concept environment
>> demonstrating the feasibility of creating a secured data repository with I
>> believe the long-term goal of providing data mining for the entire
>> hathitrust resources (both within and outside of the public domain).  But
>> even as it stands now, the tool has become a fantastic teaching tool when
>> talking to instructors and graduate students looking for large data sets to
>> work with, that also includes some pretty interesting research algori!
>>   thms for working with the data.
>>
>> --tr
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>> Jimmy Ghaphery
>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 4:47 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] hathitrust research center workset browser
>>
>> Thanks Eric for posting the webinar in the other thread.
>>
>> I am pretty sure that digitizing something in the public domain does not
>> change its copyright status, at least in the U.S. The digitizing agency
>> certainly has the right to sell, restrict access, watermark, or even keep
>> the scans locked up on a thumb drive in a closet. They are not obligated to
>> share or to provide the digital files in a re-usable format. However, the
>> digitizing agency cannot dictate any copyright restrictions on the
>> digitized copies once released to the public.
>>
>> #iamnotalawyer and welcome correction
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Eric Lease Morgan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 10:58 AM, davesgonechina <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> They just informed me I need a .edu address. Having trouble
>>>> understanding the use of the term "public domain" here.
>>>    Gung fhpx, naq fbhaqf ernyyl fbeg bs fghcvq!! --RYZ
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jimmy Ghaphery
>> Head, Digital Technologies
>> VCU Libraries
>> 804-827-3551
>>
>
>

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