Hi Heather,

We simply don't require our students to submit their theses to the ProQuest collection. I've never understood why we'd want to. Well, no: I could understand it for an institution that didn't have its own repository. But if you've got a repository, what even do you get out of ProQuest's deal? Just get the students to submit their thesis to your own repository and cut ProQuest out entirely. 

The downside: the thesis isn't included in ProQuest's databases. 

The upside: the thesis is included in every single other search engine in the entire world, and freely available both to subscribers *and* non-subscribers of ProQuest.

(Disclaimer: my institution is one such non-subscriber. Also I'm a giant open access fan, and un-fan of Big Vendors profiting off our content.)

Deborah

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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Are you paying royalty fees for the articles deposited to the institutional repository?

Margaret and Deborah,

How do you bypass the ProQuest fee? Currently our Graduate School directs the whole process of submission for students, and they direct students to pay the $55. There seems to be an assumption that it's contractually obligated. I'd be interested to hear how you work around it - whether through this list or directly.

Thanks!
Heather

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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 9:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Are you paying royalty fees for the articles deposited to the institutional repository?

I have experienced one publisher asking for a fee. It was a European journal. We don't have a budget for this, nor would I want to spend money on it. But it does happen. CCC cannot grant perpetual rights for an IR, but sometimes they can helpfully point you in the direction of the actual copyright holder. I have been able to get permission that way.

(We tell students not to pay the ProQuest OA fee for their theses). 

Margaret Heller
Digital Services Librarian
773-508-2686

> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:45 PM, Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Gotta admit, I was taken aback by this. I don't see why we'd even 
> consider it. If we're paying fees, someone else should be doing the work.
> 
> kyle
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Tiewei Liu <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> Good points! It seems that most libraries are not paying royalty fees 
>> for the IR. The discussion is really helpful to us. Thank you all for 
>> involving in it!
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> Lucy
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Fitchett, Deborah < 
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>>> What. What.
>>> 
>>> I agree with Matt for journal articles etc: check SherpaRomeo to see 
>>> if there's another version the publisher allows.
>>> 
>>> If there's no version allowed we just won't deposit to the IR. (Or 
>>> more precisely, it may be deposited to a 'dark archive' which we can 
>>> use for PBRF (govt funding based on research outputs) audit purposes 
>>> but never
>> goes
>>> public.)
>>> 
>>> For theses, we require them all to be deposited OA into our IR in 
>>> the first place (embargoes allowed under specific circumstances) and 
>>> bypass ProQuest's whole money grab.
>>> 
>>> We don't have money to waste buying back our own researchers' content!
>>> 
>>> Deborah
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
>>> Of James, Heather
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 April 2017 5:10 a.m.
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Are you paying royalty fees for the articles 
>>> deposited to the institutional repository?
>>> 
>>> We do not pay any fees for including faculty work in the IR, but our 
>>> graduate students do have to pay a fee to ProQuest if they want 
>>> their thesis/dissertation deposited open access into the IR. I'm not 
>>> 100% clear on what this fee is for, so it's on my to-do list to 
>>> investigate
>> further...
>>> 
>>> Heather James
>>> 
>>> Coordinator, Scholarly Communication & Digital Programs Raynor 
>>> Memorial Libraries Marquette University
>>> 414-288-6295
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf 
>>> Of Tiewei Liu
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 11:31 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [CODE4LIB] Are you paying royalty fees for the articles
>> deposited
>>> to the institutional repository?
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We would like to know whether your libraries are paying royalty fees 
>>> to the publishers in order to include faculty's publications in your 
>>> institutional repositories. Can anyone help with this question?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance for your help!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Lucy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Tiewei (Lucy) Liu
>>> IR and Metadata Librarian
>>> Henry Madden Library
>>> California State University, Fresno
>>> 5200 N. Barton Ave., M/S ML34
>>> Fresno, California 93740-8014
>>> Tel: 559.278.1073 <(559)%20278-1073>
>>> Fax: 559.278.7877 <(559)%20278-7877>
>>> 
>>> Fresno State Digital Repository https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__urldefense.proofpoint&d=DwIFAg&c=S1d2Gs1Y1NQV8Lx35_Qi5FnTH2uYWyh_OhOS94IqYCo&r=XWj_eUO_bQUCPHe-lMHZ-m_Bw3WZ5F5rv-z8jW_oNrE&m=oLa7tK2PSoGRw4-fpLNj9OYmfkzvsBVF-vaY_6l0LPI&s=Mw9vBG933UYVCehA7_JK9lKHDCW16cmroiSBblA0NN0&e= .
>>> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__repository.library.fresnostate.edu_&d=DwIBaQ&
>>> c=
>>> S1d2Gs1Y1NQV8Lx35_Qi5FnTH2uYWyh_OhOS94IqYCo&r=XWj_eUO_bQUCPHe-lMHZ-m
>>> _
>>> Bw3WZ5F5rv-z8jW_oNrE&m=BmrjXV97f-DqUJIy1D2dKfawe5wjM5oxwkeHg6LgqAg&s
>>> = s99hHoVyeRlLYKnK9ILViyiAY2dIEFMaWtK7yvH6Vqc&e=
>>> A pre-print is the original version of the manuscript as it is 
>>> submitted to a journal. The pre-print has not been through a process 
>>> of peer
>> review.
>>> A post-print is a document that has been through the peer review 
>>> process and incorporated reviewers comments. It is the final version 
>>> of the paper before it is sent off to the journal for publication.
>>> It can't be
>> formatted
>>> to look like the journal.
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