The project to incorporate the LRM model into RDA is known as the 3R project.  The main website for news about 3R is https://www.rdatoolkit.org/3RProject.

The main web page for news about BIBFRAME is https://www.loc.gov/bibframe/.

					Steve McDonald
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-----Original Message-----
From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Josh Welker
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 10:40 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] BIBFRAME, IFLA LRM, and PREMIS

Thanks all. Two clarifying questions:

Work is underway to bring both RDA and BIBFRAME in line with LRM.


Where can I learn more about this?

I would agree that PREMIS views resources from a very different perspective
> — it really concerns itself only with the digital preservation aspects 
> of your content.  The only overlap is in things like 
> premis:IntellectualEntity and premis:Representation, which are 
> probably the things you would describe with BIBFRAME.


Its the overlap that concerns me. Is it valid for me to describe provenance using PREMIS but then to point to a BIBFRAME entity rather than a PREMIS entity?

Joshua Welker
Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator James C. Kirkpatrick Library University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL 2260
660.543.8022



On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:56 PM Kyle Banerjee <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Also not an expert on any of this stuff, but my understanding is that 
> PREMIS is a dictionary that allows you to describe who owns something, 
> whether the thing is legit, what's done to preserve it, what you need 
> to use it, and rights management information.
>
> It's a flexible standard -- i.e. there are many legitimate ways to 
> implement it that are totally incompatible with compliant systems.
>
> <soapbox>Few phrases mean less in systems than "support" when it comes 
> to metadata -- the devil is in the details. Despite being around half 
> a century and dominating the library landscape, variations in how MARC 
> is supported still generate grief. Even the lowly CSV file which has 
> been around well over 40 years and which sees plenty of real world 
> action in library applications gets implemented in different ways. As 
> standards become more complex and abstract, both the containers and 
> content become more divergent and the carbon-based liveware more 
> confused, resulting in situations where standards undermine their own objectives.
>
> As such, best to focus on the operational effect needed and being able 
> to get stuff in/out. If you can do that, you're golden whether or not 
> you're technically compliant.</soapbox>
>
> kyle
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 7:36 AM McDonald, Stephen 
> <[log in to unmask]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > You have the right general idea about the nature of IFLA LRM.  LRM 
> > is essentially a merging and reformulation of FRBR, FRAD, and FSRAD.  
> > It is not a metadata schema.
> >
> > BIBFRAME is an implementation of RDA, which is a metadata schema 
> > based on FRBR.  BIBFRAME is still under development, and is 
> > currently only used
> for
> > development and experimental purposes.  LRM is too new for any 
> > system to
> be
> > called LRM compliant.  Work is underway to bring both RDA and 
> > BIBFRAME in line with LRM.  The new version of RDA is available as a 
> > beta release,
> but
> > is still incomplete.  Exactly how closely RDA and BIBFRAME will 
> > comply
> with
> > LRM is to be seen.
> >
> > I know very little about PREMIS, but I believe it has no 
> > relationship
> with
> > FRBR or LRM.  It is a metadata schema that views resources from a 
> > very different perspective.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Josh 
> > Welker
> > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:58 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [CODE4LIB] BIBFRAME, IFLA LRM, and PREMIS
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Can anyone explain the relationship between IFLA LRM, BIBFRAME, and
> PREMIS?
> >
> > From what I can tell, IFLA LRM is not actually a metadata schema. 
> > Rather, it is just a list of top-level entities involved in a 
> > bibliographic resource and how they are related to each other (e.g. 
> > a *work* has many *expressions*, and an *expression* has one *work*).
> >
> > BIBFRAME is an actual metadata schema containing elements like 
> > title, author, etc. that describe the higher-level entities defined by IFLA LRM.
> > Except does it? BIBFRAME 2.0 was conceptualized in 2016, and the 
> > IFLA LRM was published in December 2017. If I were to use BIBFRAME 
> > today to
> describe
> > a book, would that metadata be IFLA LRM-compliant?
> >
> > My question about PREMIS is much the same. Is it compliant with IFLA LRM?
> > Furthermore, is it possible to catalog with PREMIS and BIBFRAME together?
> > For instance, if I have a BIBFRAME representation of a book at 
> > www.mysite.com/mybook, can I use that URI as the PREMIS Object?
> >
> > Maybe these are questions that are not fully answered yet because of 
> > the lack of concrete BIBFRAME implementations.
> >
> > Joshua Welker
> > Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator James C. Kirkpatrick 
> > Library University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL 
> > 2260
> > 660.543.8022
> >
>