I agree with Natasha.  I'd prefer this kind of discussion in a structured setting with support.

-Lia Ryland

Cataloging Library
San Francisco State University
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From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Natasha Allen
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Note [administratativia]

Hi Chris,

Perhaps the ALA forums? I can't remember off the top of my head if you have to be a member of ALA to post or not but that seems like a good place to start. They have a general board and people post lots of things there.
Although i have to say, I ultimately disagree with the manner in which this is being discussed (in a forum thread). I'm sure others may have more suggestions. I think this is absolutely an important discussion to have here but perhaps in a structured, official manner such as a roundtable in conjunction with an organization such as RAINN. The dangers of "unofficial"
one-off threads like this one is that at best, not a whole lot gets done and it is triggering for folks unnecessarily, and at worst it can devolve into mudslinging and doxxing. Not that I think this would actually happen here, but I've seen it happen elsewhere, which is why i think it should be done in a structured manner with known entities. Again, i only speak for myself, so i'm happy to hear from others for other ideas.

Best,

Natasha

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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 10:30 AM Chris Hoffman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Natasha,
>
> I know many people are ready to see this thread stop, but do you know 
> of a better forum? code4lib is pretty much the main library-IT list I belong to.
> If there’s another place where these important issues can be 
> discussed, I’d be happy to join that too. Thanks in advance for any recommendation.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Hoffman, Ph.D.
> Associate Director, Research IT
> Program Director, Research Data Management < 
> http://researchdata.berkeley.edu/> & Informatics Services UC Berkeley 
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> 510-256-9643
>
> > On Jul 2, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Natasha Allen <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Josh,
> >
> > Great question. I won't speak for the entire group, only for myself, 
> > but other than being entirely off-topic, there are at least a few of 
> > us who have expressed concerns regarding the mix of the subject 
> > matter and the lack of transparency surrounding the author. The 
> > initial request for
> survey
> > participants and subsequent article did not follow certain 
> > journalistic protocols/standards (and frankly looked like spam to 
> > me), which led to
> some
> > distrust of the motives of the individual requesting this sensitive 
> > information. I have spoken to Sunni directly off-list about my 
> > concerns
> so
> > I won't rehash what we discussed there, but suffice it to say, there 
> > are ways to handle sensitive subjects and this is not one of them.  
> > This is
> an
> > important topic, and one that should be addressed with great care. I
> think
> > they appear to be well-meaning but it's not, I think, the best forum 
> > for such discussions. I hope this helps.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Natasha
> >
> > ---
> > Natasha Allen (she/her)
> > System and Fulfillment Coordinator, University Library San José 
> > State University
> > 1 Washington Square
> > San José , CA 95192
> > [log in to unmask]
> > 408-808-2655
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 9:54 AM Josh Welker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> I am actually quite confused about why the Code4Lib community is 
> >> acting
> so
> >> annoyed by this topic. I am totally ignorant of the background 
> >> here. Is
> the
> >> frustration with the topic itself or with this person?
> >>
> >> Joshua Welker
> >> Library Systems and Discovery Coordinator James C. Kirkpatrick 
> >> Library University of Central Missouri Warrensburg, MO 64093 JCKL 
> >> 2260
> >> 660.543.8022
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:48 AM Forrest, Stuart 
> >> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Agreed!
> >>>
> >>> Stuart Forrest PhD, Library IT Manager/Analyst Beaufort County 
> >>> Library System
> >>> 311 Scott Street, Beaufort, SC 29902
> >>> 843 255 6450
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>> beaufortcountylibrary.org
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of
> Andrew L
> >>> Hickner
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:43 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Note [administratativia]
> >>>
> >>> This entire thread is completely off-topic and becoming a nuisance 
> >>> to
> the
> >>> community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Andy Hickner, MSI
> >>> Health Sciences Librarian
> >>> Seton Hall University | Interprofessional Health Sciences Campus 
> >>> [log in to unmask] | 1-973-542-6973
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2flibrary.shu.edu%2fi
> hs&c=E,1,ijKkfXu9kMXX98xSfNwG_SOgresTUy06uscOzPTNeY5Q1MNYt1iHNXDLKdrT7
> MVwoiDet9tnx3h1UmZOm9qWoV_6OzfAz8RuRay7eIdyG4iwUDoPHQyzVQA,&typo=1
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Code for Libraries <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of S 
> >>> B
> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:00 PM
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Note [administratativia]
> >>>
> >>> Yes, props to ALA about recognizing Dewey.
> >>>
> >>> You don’t have to agree with my petition or think of it as useful.
> >>>
> >>> In the spirit of talking strategies, what do you see as effective 
> >>> strategies for the library profession making sexual harassment
> awareness
> >> a
> >>> top priority?
> >>>
> >>> Sunni
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Stuart A. Yeates <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In the spirit of fixing actual things that need to be fixed, I'd 
> >>>> like to point out the really positive news out of the ALA about 
> >>>> them recognising Dewey 
> >>>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2
> >>>> Fwww
> .
> >>>> theguardian.com
> %2Fbooks%2F2019%2Fjun%2F27%2Fmelvil-deweys-name-strippe
> >>>> d-from-top-librarian-award&amp;data=01%7C01%7Candrew.hickner%
> 40SHU.EDU
> >>>> %7Cad30d04da4fb4086e94608d6fda65cdc%7C51f07c2253b744dfb97ca13261d
> >>>> 71075 
> >>>> %7C1&amp;sdata=9l4mqVuOxapKNIpP5%2BORFY3OHCSjEt09SiPunDDxhKI%3D&a
> >>>> mp;re
> >>>> served=0 and AAAS about them recognising issues with current 
> >>>> fellows 
> >>>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2
> >>>> Fwww
> .
> >>>> the-scientist.com
> %2Fnews-opinion%2Fpetition-asks-aaas-to-remove-fellow
> >>>> s-with-sexual-harassment-records-64488&amp;data=01%7C01%7Candrew.
> >>>> hickn
> >>>> er%40SHU.EDU
> %7Cad30d04da4fb4086e94608d6fda65cdc%7C51f07c2253b744dfb97c
> >>>> a13261d71075%7C1&amp;sdata=iajDSIBWzDEamZJRz8Tlu79wmVKQWqRtzY733M
> >>>> Pxq%2
> >>>> BU%3D&amp;reserved=0 Both of these are the result of concerted 
> >>>> campaigns over several years by groups of named individuals with 
> >>>> clear, concrete, goals in mind and explicit strategies of how to 
> >>>> get there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Without a doubt things need to improve in libraries, but I don't 
> >>>> see petitions such as this an effective method of improving them.
> >>>>
> >>>> If there is anyone wanting to discuss strategies, my emails are open.
> >>>> Publicising locally the two recent advances mentioned above is 
> >>>> going to be on my to-do list.
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers
> >>>> stuart
> >>>> --
> >>>> ...let us be heard from red core to black sky
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 23:12, Eric Lease Morgan <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:13 PM, S B <
> >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dear Library Community,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have always known the library community to be forward 
> >>>>>> thinking and
> >>> helpful.  Through this journey of writing about sexual harassment 
> >>> in libraries, I have become concerned about the lack of sexual 
> >>> harassment awareness trainings and open and positive dialogue on the subject.
> Yes,
> >>> articles have been written.  Yes, some individual libraries as 
> >>> well as
> >> some
> >>> systems and associations are doing training and having conversation.
> >> That
> >>> is great and should not be overlooked.  In many cases, though, it 
> >>> is
> the
> >>> exact opposite.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In a profession that is so progressive, why does sexual 
> >>>>>> harassment
> >>> awareness seem to take a back seat?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I created a petition about sexual harassment awareness in libraries.
> >>> Would you consider signing and sharing? You don’t have to be in 
> >>> the
> >> library
> >>> profession to sign.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for your consideration of this request.  Many Thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Petition Link:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fchn
> >>>>>> g.it%2FPzRB4BQp5f&amp;data=01%7C01%7Candrew.hickner%40SHU.EDU
> %7Cad30
> >>>>>> d04da4fb4086e94608d6fda65cdc%7C51f07c2253b744dfb97ca13261d71075
> >>>>>> %7C1& 
> >>>>>> amp;sdata=uCY0g6DateauqIHdB5FC9RxVqbmLeVEiHTERLXu%2FJd4%3D&amp;
> >>>>>> reser
> >>>>>> ved=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If the sorts of notes above persist, then I will look into their 
> >>>>> whereabouts & see if we can get rid of them. Now back to our 
> >>>>> regular programming. --Eric Morgan, List Owner
> >>> ** WARNING: This email originated from outside of Seton Hall
> University.
> >>> Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the 
> >>> sender
> >> and
> >>> know the content is safe. **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>